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Good post Kindling & I totally agree. Purchasing dry foods is definitely the way to go. Obviously you are right about us being a part of the natural environment, but did you know that trees are little different to animals? Trees feel pain, trees can breath, hear & see, & they can communicate with one another. Think about that next time you go bush. If you ever had the feeling you were being watched, you were right.
Good post 4570, the UK had allotments, gardens you could rent, I think they still exist. My parents grew their own food, & my family carries on that tradition.
We solved the snail & slug problem by free ranging khaki campbell ducks in the garden 4570.
Well I do think the bushcraft folks are in a good position to have awareness of nature ,
We’re the same. Teaching our kids to look after what’s around them.
I love Huntsmen ..
Good one kindling. None of them should be standing on the train tracks. No matter what they think, they should be somewhere else preparing.
That could be what happens Kindling. Communities used to be like this pre industrial - think agricultural era. Things started to change with the arrival of industry - people had to move to work etc - we became more mobile. Communities were generally much closer than they are now. We don't know what direction the future will take; we do know that basic resources and goods will be an issue at any time (water, air quality, oil, power, food, toilet paper
). We've already witnessed those shortages / issues to varying degrees.
Right now we are only prepping for climate change, but these preparations will also hold us in good stead for other potential disasters. But climate change is happening now, it is a sure thing, where as other possible disasters are a hit or miss.
When it comes to hunting for food, many city people will have no idea what to do. I think one of our biggest threats will be the city people raiding & stealing food from those of us who are prepared in the bush. We will need to be able to protect what we have after the collapse of society, MIT have predicted society will collapse by 2040 due to climate change.Its a kind of de evoultion taking place .
What was built that was not on a sustainable base is crumbling .
Too many people ,too much selfish corrupt thinking , is it sustainable if humans found a way to harness more resources ?
Possible to an extent , though what is the point in that . Thinking they are the centre of the universe and everything should exist to serve them .
If the problem is not fixed and the best humans can do is hoard resources to ‘prep’ for a while , then try to rebuild more of the same then as far as I am concerned don’t bother saving them at all .
Its the ‘swiss cheese effect’ now that is the collapse , whether it ends in a crescendo of some huge climax I wont speculate ,
If there is laws of nature , there is laws of mathematics too , so although the greedy try to re shuffle the derivatives and engineer globalism and the stock market ,
Its failure causes tension globally for power and money , what they try to sure up as an imbalance weighs on the other side of the equation and spirals .
The Swiss cheese Is where all the holes line up at once , like where economies collapse and drag others down , where money printing causes inflation , where wars cause supply chain issues , where protectionism collapses the whole system that is being fought to defend causes its own demise fighting the mechanisms it created to exist .
let them perish I say . There is no easy way they will learn , they will have to learn the hard way . I am torn as to whether to give help here for that reason
The agricultural era Randall , the cities will be madness and spread out I would say when resources collapse , some will cling to the system .
Seems the government will already have its collapse guidebook printed , and people will be asked to obey , this will be a real also , they will mostly be playing the odds either way , as the countryside is lethal also for the un prepared .
Re : American preppers , a lot of their focus is on killing and shooting people .
Here , I would just stay away from the trouble .
They (a lot) think we don’t have guns , we do . We just get a license quite easily and lock them in a safe and don’t carry them .
I always laugh at the ideas , because most people here are not in danger of being shot . So no need for the reactive posture , most gun owners here will understand rather than going killing and stealing , you will be better off just going and shooting dinner with your gun , thats just common sense .
How far the hungry hordes will spread before they perish , hard to say , thats why the ‘larger community ‘ idea could falter .
Our government despite its nannying and over bearing controls , does a good job compared to almost all other countries at keeping on a stable sail .
People are spoilt though because of crying for help , even giving away their freedom for safety’
due to fear .
If this collapses too , Don’t know what the balance scale will be like between the lawless and the law .
So don’t count on them saving you and avoid the hordes altogether I say.
In 1929 war + pandemic + stock market collapse = depression .
Would be much worse now with things on a larger scale.
Nature being your friend and protector , will also kill off weak competition.
I also think you kinda hit the 2 biggest threats on the head with the muscly guys story ,
Biggest threat in the bush to worry about other than the eventual hunger when supplies run out is medical / injuries .
So safety and care taken is huge , risk assessment .
There was a conversation on Insight a week or 2 ago about ‘home invasion’ .
